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		<title>Third Party Batteries and Power Adapters on Dell Laptops.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gubbi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Own a Dell laptop? Thinking of replacing your battery or power adapter with 3rd party? Dont !! Already bought one and get this message: "The model number for the primary battery cannot be determined. This will prevent any battery present from charging. Please insert a Dell battery for best system operation."? Bad luck :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell has a slimy trick. Many people choose them for customizability, cost benefit compared to some brands and quality. All these are great reasons to buy Dell laptops. However, they have a trojan horse kind of a trick with them that goes unnoticed until much later. It&#8217;s their batteries and power adapter.</p>
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<p>Dell batteries don&#8217;t have a long life and often they start failing after 1 or 1.5 years, i.e., just after the usual warranty period is over. After this, they give just 10-15 minutes of backup with continuous red-green blinking battery indicator warning. So, you go hunting for a replacement. You look at the Dell battery prices and boy are they pricey. Then you also see several third party batteries with almost half the price. Thats compelling. The laptop is old as well to be investing so much into it. So, some like me would go ahead and buy the third party battery. Does it work out? Most of the times NO. Can something be done about it now that you have already purchased it? NO, except for returning it and buying a Dell battery. And I think you should complain about this to Dell (details at the end of the article).</p>
<p>Some of these third party batteries only work for some models, only for a certain batch of laptops. And for most, it doesn&#8217;t work. Dell refuses to charge these batteries saying it&#8217;s not a Dell battery. And blocks out the ones that work in newer versions. Ridiculous? You bet.</p>
<p>I looked around everywhere I could, for a solution. It was just hard to believe that someone, as reputed as Dell, would actively block other batteries from being used. But there are no solutions. Sorry. In my case I wasn&#8217;t able to return my third party battery. So it&#8217;s a dead brick to me now and I lost money trying to be smart about saving some.</p>
<p>When you boot your laptop, you get this message saying: &#8220;The model number for the primary battery cannot be determined.<span> </span>This will prevent any battery present from charging.<span> </span>Please insert a Dell battery for best system operation.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Still, hoping that it&#8217;s a generic message and they aren&#8217;t really serious about it.. you go ahead and continue to boot&#8230; but you know what, they are totally serious about it.</p>
<p>Does Dell mention anywhere that no third party battery is allowed to be used? Does it mention anywhere that they are being actively blocked? NO. Not until you actually buy one and use it.</p>
<p>You also cannot use third party power adapter to charge your Dell laptops. Again Dell refuses to charge your batteries. And the Dell supplied power adapters, split open at the same place for most users. At the junction where you connect the power adapter to the power socket, the junction is weak and splits open&#8230; and after a while goes broke. So be careful as to not bend / twist it too much at that junction, which usually happens if you change postures many times, lying on couch, etc., and the power socket is behind you. A more elaborate description about it&#8217;s cause and a possible solution (if you are brave enough to break open the circuitry and solder) is here: <a href="http://www.laptops-battery.co.uk/blog/dell-ac-power-adapter-type-cannot-be-determined-solution/">http://www.laptops-battery.co.uk/blog/dell-ac-power-adapter-type-cannot-be-determined-solution/</a></p>
<p>So, what Dell does is something cunning. BIOS upgrades wont cut it. It&#8217;s all in the power circuitry of the laptop. Dell sells their laptops for a slightly lower price. But locks you in permanently with their low quality batteries (their power backup and life is lower compared to competitors like HP) which die just a while after warranty expires. You can&#8217;t choose anyone except them for the batteries and power adapter. This was a rude WTF moment for me and for many many others who have had the same problem.</p>
<p>Another outcome of this stupidity is that the circuitry involved in checking for Dell batteries isn&#8217;t robust enough, and sometimes even Dell batteries suddenly, out-of-the-blue, start failing this check. Suddenly they stop being recognized as Dell batteries and stop charging. And you&#8217;ll have to buy a new battery anyway, even if the battery can be charged fine. See here for some samples of frustration with this problem: <a href="http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/18961707/19531733.aspx">http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/18961707/19531733.aspx</a></p>
<p>Do I hate Dell now? Not really. Would I buy Dell again? Sure. Their offering is compelling to me despite this treachery. And I suggest Dell to many of my friends with a warning about this battery problem.</p>
<p>If you are looking to replace your Dell battery / power adapter, do yourself a favor and don&#8217;t buy a third party one. Even though they are of higher quality and from reputed companies. Dell doesn&#8217;t want you to buy them.</p>
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<p>If you think that this is bad behavior on Dell&#8217;s part, that it is not acceptable and that they need to rectify it in their future models, let them know. I have opened a <a href="http://www.ideastorm.com/ideaView?id=087700000000c0lAAA#comments" target="_blank">request</a> on Dell&#8217;s official feature request website IdeaStorm. Please <a href="http://www.ideastorm.com/ideaView?id=087700000000c0lAAA#comments" target="_blank">vote it up</a>. Dell has never responded to this problem in their support forums. There is also a similar request made for the power adapters. Please <a href="http://www.ideastorm.com/ideaView?id=087700000000AOrAAM&amp;p=2" target="_blank">Vote it up</a>. It requires an account, which is easy to create.</p>
<p>Finally, WTF Dell?</p>
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		<title>Vista WinSXS woes &amp; MS Brilliance.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gubbi</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets start with this:

I received Vista SP1 update. I have installed Vista on a 13 GB partition, and I had only  around 700 MB left. After downloading the update, it said minimum 2GB required. So I set out to explore what is eating so much memory. Turned out Windows folder took a good 10.2 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">Lets start with this:</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070331" target="_blank"><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://blogs.vinuth.com/la-gubya/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/20070331.jpg" alt="Vista Sucks" width="575" height="727" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">I received Vista SP1 update. I have installed Vista on a 13 GB partition, and I had only  around 700 MB left. After downloading the update, it said minimum 2GB required. So I set out to explore what is eating so much memory. Turned out Windows folder took a good 10.2 GB of it. And digging deeper the system32 folder took 4.17 GB and there was this other folder named winsxs which took another 4.78 GB. I deleted 1.23 GB promptly from the SoftwareDistribution/Download/  folder which has all the downloaded updates which it doesn&#8217;t delete after update installation. Now I wanted to see if I can get rid of this winsxs. And what turned out is quite </span><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">hilarious and obnoxious</span><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">It is a directory to solve the &#8220;dll hell&#8221; problem. Windows XP has this directory but much much lesser in size. But there is an innovation involved in Vista. They wanted to solve the &#8220;dll hell&#8221; problem by storing all the versions of dll that ever comes in through my updates and all versions of dlls that are required by the softwares I install. And when you un-install these software, their dlls remain, as they &#8220;could-be-shared&#8221;. They chose this method as a great way for giving some amount of backward compatibility. Well this is my frustrated explanation from my reading in the forums. <a href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374224.aspx">Look here for the official explanation</a>. The baseline is, you can&#8217;t delete it, can&#8217;t compress it meaningfully, can&#8217;t get rid of it in any way. However, there seems to be a way out of this as <a href="http://www.msfn.org/board/Guide-WinSxS-Dupe-removel-t109131.html">detailed here</a>, but it cripples certain features.<br />
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">I am in awe of the brilliant Microsoft crew who came up with this brilliant brute force algorithm for an operating system function. Vista is the first operating system I&#8217;ve used for which 13 GB is not enough. I have not installed any programs in the Vista drive. AppData takes up rest of the chunk. Clearing all browser cache and other unwanted data couldn&#8217;t help. I was left with 1.8 GB and the update wouldn&#8217;t install. How much more ridiculous can it get? And how could they ship such an OS? How could they take this part so lightly. I have seen people <a href="http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1173190&amp;SiteID=17" target="_blank">commenting about more than 6.5 GB</a> for this winsxs folder. All for the sake of compatibility. Maybe MS employees have unlimited disk storage at their disposal, but who were they shipping this OS to? There were instances where after downloading some updates, there would be just 4MB left on my Vista installation drive&#8230;. and sometimes I would be like, &#8220;Wow, it can still run with just 4 MB of space left&#8230; cool.&#8221; But it was terribly slow and then I would restart it and look around to clearing browser caches and such. All in all it has been a constant headache. Oh, and I did good by searching for the &#8220;Hibernation File Cleaner&#8221; which appears during disk cleanup offering to free up .99 GB for me. And earlier before an update, &#8220;Per user queued reports&#8221; and &#8220;Per user archived reports&#8221; used to offer me a cool 2.5 GB of free space. But had I went around &#8220;cleaning&#8221; them up, my entire 13GB would have been cleaned for me. And cleaning Hibernation File Cleaner cripples the Hibernate feature. Were their testing teams having sex and getting drunk while testing this? Makes me wonder.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">I now wish to &#8220;get away&#8221; from this installation asap and use something sane for the optimal use of my machine.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size: medium;">May Vista rest in peace.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html"><img src="http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif" alt="Which Vista? " width="664" height="594" /></a></p>
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